JeffDG
01-15 07:58 PM
A modest suggestion:
Talk to lawmakers about the redundancy of the Labour Certification and the Quota processes.
Explain it this way. An employer needs someone for a job. They advertise the job, and find no qualified Americans for the job. They get the Secretary of Labour to certify that there are no Americans for the job (BTW, that's what a "Labour Certificate" is...it the US Department of Labour certifying there are no Americans qualified to do your job!).
Then that company, who has a need for an employee, needs to wait up to 10 years to hire someone permanently for that job (that's the Visa Number quota system). This is horrible for business productivity.
Either one of these systems is reasonable by itself. They both serve to prevent a swamping of the US labour market by "cheap" immigrant labour. But both combined together serve to seriously hinder business productivity, while doing nothing additional to protect American workers.
I've found that every American that I walk through this hypothetical all look at me incredulously and say "It's that screwed up?"
Talk to lawmakers about the redundancy of the Labour Certification and the Quota processes.
Explain it this way. An employer needs someone for a job. They advertise the job, and find no qualified Americans for the job. They get the Secretary of Labour to certify that there are no Americans for the job (BTW, that's what a "Labour Certificate" is...it the US Department of Labour certifying there are no Americans qualified to do your job!).
Then that company, who has a need for an employee, needs to wait up to 10 years to hire someone permanently for that job (that's the Visa Number quota system). This is horrible for business productivity.
Either one of these systems is reasonable by itself. They both serve to prevent a swamping of the US labour market by "cheap" immigrant labour. But both combined together serve to seriously hinder business productivity, while doing nothing additional to protect American workers.
I've found that every American that I walk through this hypothetical all look at me incredulously and say "It's that screwed up?"
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05-20 12:30 PM
Come on Folks CALL ASAP. GO IV GO >>>>
Keep calling guys...also post reply once you called, It will bump the thread up and the message will be on top .
Keep calling guys...also post reply once you called, It will bump the thread up and the message will be on top .
gk_2000
07-12 01:33 PM
I'm all for this. This is very close to my heart. I probably care more about this than I do, my 485 approval.(can't have one without the other, I know I know. But still.).
I don't know when I'll get my 485 approved, hopefully within the next year. But I'm willing to work on this, whatever it takes - contributions, lawmaker meetings, DC.
I'm in.
This has got to be simple too. When the citizenship law was first drafted, immigrants got their green cards within months of entering the country. Start to End of the greencard process took under a year, if not less.
The intention of the law was to have them learn the language, the ways of the country, and assimilate, which was expected to take about 5 years, before applying for citizenship.
These days the green card process itself take over 5 years for a lot of people. Most Indians and Chinese in the EB2 category, and pretty much the entire EB3 category have lived here longer than 5 years. In those 5 years they have gone to school here, paid income taxes, bought homes, and learned the language (well they had to, in order to qualify for an employment based green card!). What more "assimilation" do they need to do?
I definitely think that the following should be the criteria for eligibility to apply for citizenship,
- An approved green card
- 5 years of continuous U.S. residence starting from the date the 485 application was received.
Let's do this.
Excuse me, but what's 485 got to do with assimilation? It would be perfectly legitimate for people who are waiting for their dates to be current, following the exact same logic as above
People sometimes draw the line just where they themselves have just crossed it
I don't know when I'll get my 485 approved, hopefully within the next year. But I'm willing to work on this, whatever it takes - contributions, lawmaker meetings, DC.
I'm in.
This has got to be simple too. When the citizenship law was first drafted, immigrants got their green cards within months of entering the country. Start to End of the greencard process took under a year, if not less.
The intention of the law was to have them learn the language, the ways of the country, and assimilate, which was expected to take about 5 years, before applying for citizenship.
These days the green card process itself take over 5 years for a lot of people. Most Indians and Chinese in the EB2 category, and pretty much the entire EB3 category have lived here longer than 5 years. In those 5 years they have gone to school here, paid income taxes, bought homes, and learned the language (well they had to, in order to qualify for an employment based green card!). What more "assimilation" do they need to do?
I definitely think that the following should be the criteria for eligibility to apply for citizenship,
- An approved green card
- 5 years of continuous U.S. residence starting from the date the 485 application was received.
Let's do this.
Excuse me, but what's 485 got to do with assimilation? It would be perfectly legitimate for people who are waiting for their dates to be current, following the exact same logic as above
People sometimes draw the line just where they themselves have just crossed it
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brb2
04-08 05:54 AM
I will back you up on this:)
Unless one has studied in the US, one will not realize the worth of the US educational system. One clear attribute of US educated professionals is their superior written and verbal communication skills. Not to mention the enhanced ability to culturally fit in a diverse environment.
Unintentional, might be, but you did ruffle this topic of US Master's vs US Non-Master's with this rather sad comment (warm spit!). I dont want to go much further into this either but talking about something that you obviously dont know (useless subjects 'assembly language programming'), you havent added any valule addition here either. (Just FYI, even during peak recession, ppl with ALP skills were really very few because most of the direct recruits from '6 month NIIT courses' werent upto system level programming).
And btw, if think that a 6 month course in NIIT with a degree in tier 3 university is going to help get a job during times of recession, then i dont know what to tell you.
Yes, i do have an MS degree from the US and i did suffer lay-off during recession - bounce back, i did really quickly while i saw few ppl that only had '6 month courses from NIIT' suffer for long times without a job because all they had to offer was that...their six month experience at NIIT!!
Btw, i do appreciate all the work that you do and all your postings too, but i felt that i had to give a riposte to something that i find insinuating and written without a whole lot of thought....
Unless one has studied in the US, one will not realize the worth of the US educational system. One clear attribute of US educated professionals is their superior written and verbal communication skills. Not to mention the enhanced ability to culturally fit in a diverse environment.
Unintentional, might be, but you did ruffle this topic of US Master's vs US Non-Master's with this rather sad comment (warm spit!). I dont want to go much further into this either but talking about something that you obviously dont know (useless subjects 'assembly language programming'), you havent added any valule addition here either. (Just FYI, even during peak recession, ppl with ALP skills were really very few because most of the direct recruits from '6 month NIIT courses' werent upto system level programming).
And btw, if think that a 6 month course in NIIT with a degree in tier 3 university is going to help get a job during times of recession, then i dont know what to tell you.
Yes, i do have an MS degree from the US and i did suffer lay-off during recession - bounce back, i did really quickly while i saw few ppl that only had '6 month courses from NIIT' suffer for long times without a job because all they had to offer was that...their six month experience at NIIT!!
Btw, i do appreciate all the work that you do and all your postings too, but i felt that i had to give a riposte to something that i find insinuating and written without a whole lot of thought....
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das0
05-16 12:06 PM
Trying to bump this up to get attention of experinced folks
PlainSpeak
01-12 02:49 PM
what about highschool dropouts vs college dropouts? literates vs illiterates? same wine new bottle too? then why the distinction of EB1, EB2 or EB3 either? Just hand them visas as soon as they get down that plane :)
And .....................
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding
Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner (Claps Claps Claps Claps Claps)
You voice of reason was being sorely missed by everyone me most of all.
Let me guess youyr priority would be EB2 (Obviously) and your priority date would be somewhere after 2007 and you deserve to get GC before EB3 2005. Now that you mention it the logic is so clear that i am kicking myself for missing the obvious
Mr waitsolong - NOW Do you now see what i mean about maturity of the forum
Mr FuriousPride - Do you read the whole post or just pick the ones which hurt your pride and comment on it. I guess i answered the question myself. We are having a discussion here. A discussion by definition is give and take of ideas. (We dont have to agrree on everything but we agree to listen to teh other's point of view). Now if we are going to have a civilized discussion i am open to it but if we are going to have statements like (Handing out visas at airport) these then we are on two different cereberal levels. No matching of minds
And .....................
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding
Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner (Claps Claps Claps Claps Claps)
You voice of reason was being sorely missed by everyone me most of all.
Let me guess youyr priority would be EB2 (Obviously) and your priority date would be somewhere after 2007 and you deserve to get GC before EB3 2005. Now that you mention it the logic is so clear that i am kicking myself for missing the obvious
Mr waitsolong - NOW Do you now see what i mean about maturity of the forum
Mr FuriousPride - Do you read the whole post or just pick the ones which hurt your pride and comment on it. I guess i answered the question myself. We are having a discussion here. A discussion by definition is give and take of ideas. (We dont have to agrree on everything but we agree to listen to teh other's point of view). Now if we are going to have a civilized discussion i am open to it but if we are going to have statements like (Handing out visas at airport) these then we are on two different cereberal levels. No matching of minds
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santb1975
04-17 07:36 PM
Please take the lead and organize one. We are planning on organizing a IV professional networking event the night before the race. Let us see how we do.
Are there any musicians in the DC area from this group?
Are there any musicians in the DC area from this group?
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minimalist
04-12 05:41 PM
By the way, why are you calling them losers and traiters? Can you elaborate?
Every company has their business model. If someone doesn't like it, they can for sure move on.
The situation with your friend though it is bad, that is how they work.
What else did you expect the manager to do?
You can't be one step ahead of everybody else in all aspects. There is good and bad working for the socalled losers and traiters. You may get GC in fast track or you may get shipped back when you get sick.
You envy the ones who got the GC and pity the once who got shipped.
Oh yes, sick leave, have you worked for Losers and Traiters on site? do they have a sick leave policy for on site slaves? do any one of them have one for sick leave or for that matter anything else? would you send me one from your company?
My friend was working for Losers and Traiters - got real sick due to neck pain - took leave from work - went to a doctor - doctor suggected him a treatment for a month. Guess what, they shipped him back. Who will have an "idle resource" on site? How ethical.
I asked them to provide a copy of their US insurance policy and on-site employee handbook. I am yet to get one, besides the manager told me since I am no way connected to Losers and Traiters (who wants to?), I am not allowed to ask for such documents. The poor slave friend of mine went to India and resigned within a week.
now....from your posts, you seem to be a slave working for the welfare of one of these companies (desi or dcc). Keep up the good work. And don't forget to ask your boss about the documents mentioned above.
Every company has their business model. If someone doesn't like it, they can for sure move on.
The situation with your friend though it is bad, that is how they work.
What else did you expect the manager to do?
You can't be one step ahead of everybody else in all aspects. There is good and bad working for the socalled losers and traiters. You may get GC in fast track or you may get shipped back when you get sick.
You envy the ones who got the GC and pity the once who got shipped.
Oh yes, sick leave, have you worked for Losers and Traiters on site? do they have a sick leave policy for on site slaves? do any one of them have one for sick leave or for that matter anything else? would you send me one from your company?
My friend was working for Losers and Traiters - got real sick due to neck pain - took leave from work - went to a doctor - doctor suggected him a treatment for a month. Guess what, they shipped him back. Who will have an "idle resource" on site? How ethical.
I asked them to provide a copy of their US insurance policy and on-site employee handbook. I am yet to get one, besides the manager told me since I am no way connected to Losers and Traiters (who wants to?), I am not allowed to ask for such documents. The poor slave friend of mine went to India and resigned within a week.
now....from your posts, you seem to be a slave working for the welfare of one of these companies (desi or dcc). Keep up the good work. And don't forget to ask your boss about the documents mentioned above.
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msngroups
05-17 01:28 AM
If you want peace just remain with the current employer. Otherwise screw up yourselves. It seems that you are not content with what you have now. There are people who in India are still living with Rs.2000 salary.
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waitingGC
02-02 12:38 PM
So far, there is no provision of 485 filing without priority date becoming current. Has this failed too? Just two weeks before Feb. 15th. I guess the fate of this provision is determined now.
It seems that nothing can happen before Feb. 15th. Even the H1 increase has not happened yet. Democrats do not seem to be immigration-friendly as many expected before. No hope for CIR this year. No hope for SKIL this year. What a miserable situation!
It seems that nothing can happen before Feb. 15th. Even the H1 increase has not happened yet. Democrats do not seem to be immigration-friendly as many expected before. No hope for CIR this year. No hope for SKIL this year. What a miserable situation!
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gc_chahiye
08-29 06:50 PM
What those laywers will do without people and cases? Remember that their jobs cannot be portable as the law of land is totally different in other countries :D
So what, people in other lands can learn these laws and still do some work of
lawyers/paralegals:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/14/news/economy/lawyer_outsourcing/
a lot of companies are already getting their patent filing work done by attorneys and paralegals abroad. Wont be too long before your I-485 filing is also prepared from outside the US :)
So what, people in other lands can learn these laws and still do some work of
lawyers/paralegals:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/10/14/news/economy/lawyer_outsourcing/
a lot of companies are already getting their patent filing work done by attorneys and paralegals abroad. Wont be too long before your I-485 filing is also prepared from outside the US :)
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nb_des
04-10 02:42 PM
This is the most insane reason i can think of.GC itself is a distant dream leave alone citizenship...and Aging parents...do you really know if they want to reside in this country here permenantly.3-4 months are over and they just want to escape from here coz they just dont like.And some mean children bring their parents to do nursery/take care of their children as free home nannies with paid airfare,boarding and lodging with food.
That is not the case with me. My kid goes to day care and I always keep it that way. As far as them being happy here is concerned then yes I would agree they won't have much social interaction here as they have right now living in small town in India. But for me, as I am sure with many others the choice is not simple. Either I let them live alone where I am not there to take care of them or have them live with us here and they would rather choose the latter.
Anyways, I think we should not take this thread into another direction.
That is not the case with me. My kid goes to day care and I always keep it that way. As far as them being happy here is concerned then yes I would agree they won't have much social interaction here as they have right now living in small town in India. But for me, as I am sure with many others the choice is not simple. Either I let them live alone where I am not there to take care of them or have them live with us here and they would rather choose the latter.
Anyways, I think we should not take this thread into another direction.
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justAnotherFile
08-05 07:00 PM
I may beat you on total wait time. it's 15 yrs since i entered this country (1995).
first labor filed 1999 (11 yrs back), current one started in 2004
Arae mere pyaara bhaai,
I am completing 10 years in GC process in September 22, 2010.:cool:
How about that?
Before the first application gets to process, I left the company and joined another company. The GC which I am waiting for since then was filed by the second company. They filed it on EB3 eventhough I was eligible for EB2 for "easier processing". At that time both EB2 and EB3 were current. And it remained the same way till I got my labor approved the very same month it went into retrogression. Since then I am waiting.
By the way, my first company sold the labor they filed for me for $15K dollars to another guy. He got his GC in 2005 and just 2 months back he became an US Citizen.
That is a long story told short....
first labor filed 1999 (11 yrs back), current one started in 2004
Arae mere pyaara bhaai,
I am completing 10 years in GC process in September 22, 2010.:cool:
How about that?
Before the first application gets to process, I left the company and joined another company. The GC which I am waiting for since then was filed by the second company. They filed it on EB3 eventhough I was eligible for EB2 for "easier processing". At that time both EB2 and EB3 were current. And it remained the same way till I got my labor approved the very same month it went into retrogression. Since then I am waiting.
By the way, my first company sold the labor they filed for me for $15K dollars to another guy. He got his GC in 2005 and just 2 months back he became an US Citizen.
That is a long story told short....
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08-17 09:12 AM
With PD of 2003 you are not far from getting the card in your hand :D
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pd_recapturing
05-14 12:19 PM
Hi, Did somebody take advantage of the new rule of H1-H4 decoupling where one can use the time spent in H4 in H1? or can somebody confirm that this rule is in place and a law ? Please let me know.
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eb2_mumbai
09-25 10:57 AM
Recapture.
Recapture.
Recapture.
Recapture.
Please do not make me say "Recapture" a million times to get my point across.
Spillover is not going to help EB3-I much.
I read on some posts that an executive order may be sufficient to recapture lost visas.
I agree with you. Recapture is ony way out. Spill over was done from 2002 - 2006 and EB3 I was still struck in 2001. Adding 20k visa would barely move EB3 I With all the labor subs that happened in 2007 there are many more people that have jumped the lines. All Spill over can do is barely move Eb3 from 2001 to early / mid 2002 that is all. So for folks post 2004 PD you are struck because by the time your PD gets spillover there will be EB2 I & C fighting for the same visa# that you need. So spill over helps a small section either Eb3 I with PD between 2001 - 2003 or EB2 with PD 2005 - CURRENT. For all others only real chance is recapture
Recapture.
Recapture.
Recapture.
Please do not make me say "Recapture" a million times to get my point across.
Spillover is not going to help EB3-I much.
I read on some posts that an executive order may be sufficient to recapture lost visas.
I agree with you. Recapture is ony way out. Spill over was done from 2002 - 2006 and EB3 I was still struck in 2001. Adding 20k visa would barely move EB3 I With all the labor subs that happened in 2007 there are many more people that have jumped the lines. All Spill over can do is barely move Eb3 from 2001 to early / mid 2002 that is all. So for folks post 2004 PD you are struck because by the time your PD gets spillover there will be EB2 I & C fighting for the same visa# that you need. So spill over helps a small section either Eb3 I with PD between 2001 - 2003 or EB2 with PD 2005 - CURRENT. For all others only real chance is recapture
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gc_on_demand
05-04 09:14 AM
Not everyone is getting approved. I am still waiting.
Most of people are getting. Your case may have some issues. Or it may be in hand of person who is on week or vacation. Date current means no guarantee that you will get on day 1.
If you don't get with in 30 days , you should contact USCIS or ask IV to help. Pappu already created thread if any one not getting approval and are long time donor should contact IV so they can dedicate resource.
Most of people are getting. Your case may have some issues. Or it may be in hand of person who is on week or vacation. Date current means no guarantee that you will get on day 1.
If you don't get with in 30 days , you should contact USCIS or ask IV to help. Pappu already created thread if any one not getting approval and are long time donor should contact IV so they can dedicate resource.
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ilwaiting
06-18 06:59 AM
There is something called fraud protection fee that companies pay for initial H1's. So USCIS has the funds to protect the fraud, the question lies if they are really implementing it.
The GOVT should state that those who apply for H1 should make it mandatory for the employees to be in US within 30 - 45 days of obtaining US Visas and be present in US on employment in continous increments of 1 year. And they need to show pay stubs continously.
- Then we can easily filter out WIPRO, Infosys, Consulting company from misusing. For example Wipro will apply 5000 H1s and then send people when they eventually get a project, out of 5000, may be 1000 may show up in 6 months. So In this case 4000 H1s can get invalid. Indian companies find it sending people overseas is expensive business and would enjoy offshoring projects. If the govt makes this rule, consulting companues will be forced to start paying H1 folks from Day 1, no bench period, plus "Candidates need to show up in person immdlty in US". We kill 2 birds with 1 stone. 1, dummy H1s will not be applied, 2, if they approve H1s then they have to send engineers immdlty for which they may not be really ready, since they only anticipate projects and may not need so many H1s right away !...
THis will be a sure shot solution.
The GOVT should state that those who apply for H1 should make it mandatory for the employees to be in US within 30 - 45 days of obtaining US Visas and be present in US on employment in continous increments of 1 year. And they need to show pay stubs continously.
- Then we can easily filter out WIPRO, Infosys, Consulting company from misusing. For example Wipro will apply 5000 H1s and then send people when they eventually get a project, out of 5000, may be 1000 may show up in 6 months. So In this case 4000 H1s can get invalid. Indian companies find it sending people overseas is expensive business and would enjoy offshoring projects. If the govt makes this rule, consulting companues will be forced to start paying H1 folks from Day 1, no bench period, plus "Candidates need to show up in person immdlty in US". We kill 2 birds with 1 stone. 1, dummy H1s will not be applied, 2, if they approve H1s then they have to send engineers immdlty for which they may not be really ready, since they only anticipate projects and may not need so many H1s right away !...
THis will be a sure shot solution.
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gc28262
07-15 09:20 AM
This has become a ranting thread of EB3 folks. One simple question:
How many of you EB3 India folks who are complaining actually went to Washingtno DC last month for IV Advocacy event?
I hear it was not even 250 people. If you take out all EB2 people, so few EB3 people. This means EB3 people do not really want to do anything but after every visa bulletin come to the site and rant.
We in EB2 do not have much to worry. Our dates will move fast. But you EB3 had a chance last month and you blew it by not doing anything. So stop complaining.
Were you there at DC ? I didn't see you there.
How many EB3 guys were there ? To name a few Aman, Logiclife, pappu. Is that an impressive enough list ?
How many of you EB3 India folks who are complaining actually went to Washingtno DC last month for IV Advocacy event?
I hear it was not even 250 people. If you take out all EB2 people, so few EB3 people. This means EB3 people do not really want to do anything but after every visa bulletin come to the site and rant.
We in EB2 do not have much to worry. Our dates will move fast. But you EB3 had a chance last month and you blew it by not doing anything. So stop complaining.
Were you there at DC ? I didn't see you there.
How many EB3 guys were there ? To name a few Aman, Logiclife, pappu. Is that an impressive enough list ?
chanukya
02-01 08:43 PM
S.AMDT.187 to H.R.2 , by Kerry Refers to CR S1121--Passed (does not contain backlog or immigration provisions)
S.AMDT.180 to H.R.2 , by Kennedy Refers to CR S1088-1104 --Not Passed/not voted--(S1088-1104---consists of Backlog reduction provisions).
We missed it guys......very narrowly.
S.AMDT.180 to H.R.2 , by Kennedy Refers to CR S1088-1104 --Not Passed/not voted--(S1088-1104---consists of Backlog reduction provisions).
We missed it guys......very narrowly.
starscream
11-14 03:30 PM
sundarpn,
I applied for a new passport from the Indian Embassy in Washington DC in Nov '06 as my old one was expiring. Got the new passport in 2 weeks from the day I mailed the application.
Don't bother calling them . You will not get through to anyone. Just wait it out . It should come in 2 weeks.
Hope this helps.
how about Washington DC consulate?
I am hoping they are more prompt. It has been 5 working days since I sent mine....
I applied for a new passport from the Indian Embassy in Washington DC in Nov '06 as my old one was expiring. Got the new passport in 2 weeks from the day I mailed the application.
Don't bother calling them . You will not get through to anyone. Just wait it out . It should come in 2 weeks.
Hope this helps.
how about Washington DC consulate?
I am hoping they are more prompt. It has been 5 working days since I sent mine....
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